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throwaw12 1 days ago [-]
Coming soon:
* Iran caused fall of German manufacturing
* Iranian investors caused housing shortage in Netherlands
* Iranians are pushing French to protest against pension age reforms
Razengan 23 hours ago [-]
Iran caused Game of Thrones season 8
throwaw12 13 hours ago [-]
Iran intervened in US elections to get Trump elected
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CrzyLngPwd 1 days ago [-]
That reads like a scare story for MPs so they approve more money to some dodgy outfit that will save us all from the ever growing axis of evil...again.
goalieca 1 days ago [-]
This is greatly downplaying the hacking that has been made public, hasn’t been made public, and is continuously ongoing. Water treatment plants just publicly got hit in Canada and USA.
The simple truth right now is that China, Iran, and North Korea, are actively hacking out companies and infrastructure. It’s a sort of Cold War.
pasquinelli 1 days ago [-]
in the case of iran, it's hard to imagine it wouldn't be in retaliation for the infrastructure in iran that america has destroyed, so a cold war on one side, a hot war on the other.
spwa4 1 days ago [-]
Is that supposed to be an explanation of the "morality" of just killing a random person because you got a bloody nose?
HappyPanacea 1 days ago [-]
It seems unwise to attack UK when US attacks you.
O1111OOO 1 days ago [-]
> It seems unwise to attack UK when US attacks you.
>The simple truth right now is that China, Iran, and North Korea, are actively hacking out companies and infrastructure.
What for?
andai 21 hours ago [-]
Edit: I mean I'm sure it's rational, but what's the calculus there? Probing the waters? Demonstrating capabilities? What's the actual outcome?
michaelt 1 days ago [-]
Those same MPs decided, for example, that it should be mandatory for EV chargers to be internet connected.
They could do with a dose of reality, IMHO.
zerozerotwo 1 days ago [-]
You know Iran itself refers its own side as the axis right?
g8oz 1 days ago [-]
Are you being diliberately obtuse? The U.S under Bush Jr. called them a member of the Axis of Evil. In response they called themselves and their allies the Axis of Resistance.
applicative 1 days ago [-]
They lost Syria so there's no axis
neves 1 days ago [-]
If I were an incompetent manager that need to oversee crumble infrastructure, I'd like to blame my problems on evil hackers from the other side of the world.
This story does not look real.
edgyquant 1 days ago [-]
In what way does it not look real? On the contrary a significant portion of the population seems to be totally swooned by Iranian propaganda and is not aware they are a malicious actor and have been for decades conducting much worse things on foreign soil than hacks
Noumenon72 1 days ago [-]
How would Iranian propaganda even enter the British population given the sparse cultural ties, saturation of media with domestic messaging, and the British government explicitly forcing public service content onto newsfeeds[1]? My expectation would be that Iranian propaganda makes zero inroads except with migrants from the region.
I don’t think anyone in the west are swooned by Iran. Heck, a lot of Iranians aren’t even swooned by the Iranian propaganda.
What I think you’re doing is misinterpreting the wests disgust at Trumps war with Iran as favouring Iran when in fact what we actually feel is disdain for both parties.
surgical_fire 1 days ago [-]
It's more that a lot of people stopeed being swooned by US propaganda, and woke up to the fact that the US is a malicious actor and have been for decades, conducting much worse things on foreign soil than hacks.
I, personally, have a lot more mistrust towards the US than I have towards Iran. Mostly because Iran has very limited power to affect me negatively.
madaxe_again 1 days ago [-]
You mean like stuxnet?
Oh, wait…
donohoe 1 days ago [-]
Anything from the Telegraph should be treated as suspect and an alternative source should be found.
zipy124 1 days ago [-]
The BBC reported on it many many hours ago at the same time [1] with the Department for Energy Security and Net Zero confirming there was an incident.
Actually if you read your own link - the BBC is just saying that the Telegraph reported this.
And the same BBC article says that the Telegraph reported it as "the power plant was shut down for four days", whereas on the other hand, the UK Government DESNZ said it only "affected a small-scale generator" not even an entire power plant.
It's always difficult in these situations to read through the FUD and see what the truth is.
surgical_fire 1 days ago [-]
> the Telegraph reported
I would find it more trustworthy a report from my toilet hours after I ate alphabet soup.
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guiriduro 1 days ago [-]
This point cannot be overstated - famously the Torygraph for its stance should always have been treated with a degree of scepticism under former editors but such journalistic standards it ever had are now long and completely defunct. A rubbish-laden agitprop comic.
applicative 1 days ago [-]
Every actual grown up treats every news source like this.
The people who give us this sort of wisdom discredit themselves by proving they relate like credulous children to whatever news source they are using.
lux-lux-lux 1 days ago [-]
“Every news source lies equally and is equally untrustworthy” does not sound like grown up analysis, Mr. Caulfield
applicative 1 days ago [-]
Thats not what I said, though, is it? I can destroy /any/ news source, if your criteria are destructive.
sajithdilshan 1 days ago [-]
Why would a power plant system be exposed to internet in the first place
tsimionescu 1 days ago [-]
Because power plants need to coordinate to serve the grid, and there is currently a single Interconnected Network of computers out there. Would it be a good idea to create a secondary network for power control and similar critical functions, completely isolated from the internet and from any outside countries? Perhaps - but it doesn't even seem to be on the horizon for now.
croes 14 hours ago [-]
You mean the companies that laid power lines across the country are too dumb/lazy/cheap to also lay some network cables?
tsimionescu 7 hours ago [-]
It's much more than cables. You'd need an entire separate internet - ISPs, BGP, DNS, TLS PKI infrastructure, and probably many others. You'd also still need to very carefully keep this separate, as simply connecting an Internet and a "UK Power Plant Internet v2" cable into the same router or even laptop might invalidate all of the isolation you spent time building. Which is itself a losing battle, given that you need everyone's house to also be connected to this network.
You, of course, then also need to ensure redundancy on this "UK Power Plant Internet v2", as you don't want to have a single point of failure such that a single router or cable somewhere being interrupted would create a network partition.
And again, there is simply no one even considering this. All of the work going into smart grid coordination (strictly necessary for incorporating a large amount of renewable power generation in the grid) is 100% designed to work on top of the public Internet.
seydor 1 days ago [-]
DRM license verification
ImHereToVote 1 days ago [-]
Ofc. For the Stuxnet vulnerability.
wongarsu 1 days ago [-]
There are plenty of reports that this happens and at least as of a couple years ago wasn't even that uncommon. Including CCC talks. People want to do remote maintenance, and apparently not everyone has a good enough internal IT to put this traffic on a VPN
ndsipa_pomu 1 days ago [-]
I find it difficult to believe that a power plant doesn't have enough resources to employ at least one person who could implement a VPN - even if it's just some cousin of a senior manager.
tsimionescu 1 days ago [-]
A VPN is not some foolproof system that guarantees you can't be hacked. If you're connected to the internet, people can probe your systems. Heck, Stuxnet proved they can do it even if you aren't.
Gys 1 days ago [-]
To enable work from home?
goda90 1 days ago [-]
I would hope critical infrastructure would have someone on site 24/7. The Internet could go out, roads blocked, and weather too dangerous for a helicopter and you'd still want power to flow. If people want to work remotely, they could have a human-bridged air gap where change instructions are followed by someone on-site.
toast0 1 days ago [-]
I don't know about power plants, but for critical water infrastructure, there's usually not even a building for someone to sit in 24/7 and at least 99% of the time there would be nothing for them to do.
goda90 1 days ago [-]
Maybe we bring back the "lighthouse keeper" type jobs for remote infrastructure
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pjc50 1 days ago [-]
More likely windows updates.
Serious answer: there's a big plan to network everything for metrology purposes. At the very least feeding real time frequency, voltage and phase information from every point of interest on the grid into a big dashboard.
dreamcompiler 1 days ago [-]
It's likely that much of this stuff is still running on Windows XP which doesn't even receive updates. But of course it's still exposed to the internet.
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pjmlp 1 days ago [-]
Let me guess, SCADA system is somehow accessible from outside.
cineticdaffodil 1 days ago [-]
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NordStreamYacht 1 days ago [-]
What goes around, comes around. What was the name of the SCADA hack dropped via USB drives in Iranian parking lots which brought down their centrifuges?
Stuxnet.
ktallett 1 days ago [-]
It is either the fact most major infrastructure in the UK seems to be run on computer systems introduced by a man with no knowledge and struggles to turn on a computer. Or it is the start of a UK government attempt to reduce freedoms by stating look there are naughty terrorists out there that will do harm to the UK if we don't restrict programs and usage of systems.
I imagine the former, but it will be used for the latter.
logotype 1 days ago [-]
Both can be true at the same time.
benj111 1 days ago [-]
The timing of this seems weird. The UK uses much more energy in the winter, so this isn't going to bring the grid down or anything.
This just seems like a wasted attack, alerting us to the vulnerability.
jmyeet 1 days ago [-]
The media is trying to manufacturer consent for a deeply unpopular war of choice that has already been lost. That's so weird. Why would Iran do this? They've already won.
Nothing will change the fact that this war has been a complete strategic defeat for the US and its allies. This is the beginning of the end of dismantling the world order created by the US for the benefit of the US after 1945. That's how this will be written about in history books.
mupuff1234 1 days ago [-]
Did iran win? Their economy is on the brink of collapse with no relief in sight, and countries are investing in infrastructure to bypass the strait.
And sure oil prices have gone up, but not doomsday scenario prices.
A bit of a pyrrhic victory if you insist on defining that as a victory.
Sometimes everyone's a loser.
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zipy124 1 days ago [-]
The BBC reported on it many many hours ago at the same time [1] with the Department for Energy Security and Net Zero confirming there was an incident.
The BBC’s just reported that the telegraph reported it was Iranians. Not that it actually was…
cbeach 1 days ago [-]
Please, not this juvenile “I disagree with the political leaning of a newspaper so I demand everyone else boycott it” student union behaviour.
All sources have their biases. I could come up with several examples of the BBC and Guardian reporting very dubiously, for example (recently the BBC spliced together clips of the US President to make it seem he said something completely fictitious). Few sources are a paragon of truth.
How about we just think critically, and think -independently- about the media we consume. Ignore the authoritarian blow-hards who think their choice of media is the only valid choice for the rest of us.
* Iran caused fall of German manufacturing
* Iranian investors caused housing shortage in Netherlands
* Iranians are pushing French to protest against pension age reforms
The simple truth right now is that China, Iran, and North Korea, are actively hacking out companies and infrastructure. It’s a sort of Cold War.
UK's involvement in the 2026 Iran War:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_involvement_in_...
United Kingdom and the Gaza "war":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_and_the_Gaza_wa...
I’ll agree with gp, in any case seems unwise to give the UK cause to further involve themselves.
What for?
They could do with a dose of reality, IMHO.
This story does not look real.
1: https://foundationforfreedomonline.com/fines-bans-forced-new...
What I think you’re doing is misinterpreting the wests disgust at Trumps war with Iran as favouring Iran when in fact what we actually feel is disdain for both parties.
I, personally, have a lot more mistrust towards the US than I have towards Iran. Mostly because Iran has very limited power to affect me negatively.
Oh, wait…
[1]: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9793g34yvo
And the same BBC article says that the Telegraph reported it as "the power plant was shut down for four days", whereas on the other hand, the UK Government DESNZ said it only "affected a small-scale generator" not even an entire power plant.
It's always difficult in these situations to read through the FUD and see what the truth is.
I would find it more trustworthy a report from my toilet hours after I ate alphabet soup.
The people who give us this sort of wisdom discredit themselves by proving they relate like credulous children to whatever news source they are using.
You, of course, then also need to ensure redundancy on this "UK Power Plant Internet v2", as you don't want to have a single point of failure such that a single router or cable somewhere being interrupted would create a network partition.
And again, there is simply no one even considering this. All of the work going into smart grid coordination (strictly necessary for incorporating a large amount of renewable power generation in the grid) is 100% designed to work on top of the public Internet.
Serious answer: there's a big plan to network everything for metrology purposes. At the very least feeding real time frequency, voltage and phase information from every point of interest on the grid into a big dashboard.
Stuxnet.
I imagine the former, but it will be used for the latter.
This just seems like a wasted attack, alerting us to the vulnerability.
Nothing will change the fact that this war has been a complete strategic defeat for the US and its allies. This is the beginning of the end of dismantling the world order created by the US for the benefit of the US after 1945. That's how this will be written about in history books.
And sure oil prices have gone up, but not doomsday scenario prices.
A bit of a pyrrhic victory if you insist on defining that as a victory.
Sometimes everyone's a loser.
[1]: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9793g34yvo
All sources have their biases. I could come up with several examples of the BBC and Guardian reporting very dubiously, for example (recently the BBC spliced together clips of the US President to make it seem he said something completely fictitious). Few sources are a paragon of truth.
How about we just think critically, and think -independently- about the media we consume. Ignore the authoritarian blow-hards who think their choice of media is the only valid choice for the rest of us.